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In the interview, Alison-Madueke acknowledged that she and her team might have made mistakes. Read full interview after the cut...
"Did
we make mistakes? There would always be mistakes. People would always
make mistakes. Everybody make mistakes and there is no question about
that. Have we learnt from our mistakes? Of course we have. But please do
not say I stole $20 billion or $18.5 billion because I did not at any
point in time. And if NNPC misappropriated funds or so, they have the
entire explanation and more forensic audit should be done to determine
how and why. But people should not make damaging accusations which have
nothing to do with an individual. At no point did I steal from the
Nigerian state. And
if NNPC misappropriated funds or so, they have the entire explanation
and more forensic audit should be done to determine how and why. But
people should not make damaging accusations which have nothing to do
with an individual. At no point did I steal from the Nigerian state. In
fact, the first mantra I had from the time I came in was that I will
never touch anything that has to do with the Federation Account and I
never did and I will take that to my grave. So I will suggest that this
issue of $20 billion or $18 billion be dropped because that is the major
problem I had with my job. I was accused of unsavoury things, but which
were actually accusations against NNPC and the audit was deployed to
clarify all these things. So let us deal with the issues. I have never
gone around accusing people of doing this or that, I have always stuck
with the issues even when I was the most abused minister, I was
professional, I stuck to the issues and responded only to the
issues.”she said
The
former Minister addressed allegations made against her by Emir of Kano
and former CBN governor, Sanusi Muhammad 1st, that she disobeyed the
directive of former President Umar Yar'Adua to stop the subsidy plan on
Kerosine.
"Let
me just make this very clear to Nigeria as a whole because this is an
area of great pain for me. That Sanusi should say I sustained the
subsidy is not true, when very clearly in 2009, the late President
Yar’Adua gave a written directive to the late Minister of Petroleum
Resources Alhaji Rilwan Lukman that he should remove the subsidy on
DPK. This
subsidy on DPK was never removed by the late Minister of Petroleum
Resources, whom I considered to be somebody that I regarded almost as a
mentor. For reasons best known to late Alhaji Rilwan Lukman and the then
economic team, the Finance Minister and others, they never implemented
the directive to remove the subsidy. By law and the Petroleum Act, you
must gazette such a removal for it to become law and of course it has to
be published so that Nigerians would know that there has been a change
in the price of the petroleum product. It is illegal to do it or to say
you have done it, if you have not gazetted it. Even before that, former
President Goodluck Jonathan who was the vice-president at that time, had
also clarified, even in a public media broadcast and in person as well,
that the subsidy was never removed. So I sought clarification from him
and he also made the clarification clear in a public media broadcast
about a year and a half ago, that the subsidy was never removed. So at
no time did I go against a president’s directive. It is not possible
that I would have come in as a Minister of Petroleum in 2010 and found
that kerosene subsidy no longer existed and that it had been gazetted
and I would have suddenly upturned it. Government is a continuum and so
it was not possible that I could have done that. So I feel very pained
that Sanusi would make it sound like I was the one who went against late
President Yar’Adua’s directive. I think this should clarify this issue
once and for all. It’s
high time Nigerians got some insight into your personality, because
there were lots of complaints that you are aloof, inaccessible and some
even alleged that you were an absentee minister who spent more time at
home than in the office"she said.
The former Minister also addressed the allegation of renting a N10 million jet for personal use as Minister
"Well,
I don’t know whether that issue is still in court. But the reason that I
went to court was simple. First of all, nobody can lease a jet for N10
billion over a period. You can buy three jets for N10 billion. So that
was obviously a nonsensical argument and I did not lease any jet. The
NNPC leases jets and NNPC leased those jets to the best of my knowledge
because at that point in time, they had no official planes. As an oil
and gas ministry, we have purview over everything and it was actually
very wrong that we had to borrow planes from these multinationals whom
we were supposed to oversight. So over the years, I am talking about
over the last 15 or 20 years, NNPC had either owned, leased or borrowed,
both jets and helicopters. That was the case when I came in.
Yes,
we had a very old jet which nobody was going to touch and another jet
had just been bought by late Alhaji Lukman just before he left, a
Hawker. Unfortunately, the moment it came, because it had been sitting
unused for over a year it became a problem. In fact, NNPC was advised to
sell it because it was a problematic model and had sat unused for a
long period. They were advised to sell it, but they didn’t sell it. Then
after a year of its purchase, it crash-landed in Nsubi and we had to
actually give it out for spare parts to the National Security Adviser’s
office at the end of the day. It was during this period that they leased
the private jets for executive movement and operations in general,
which we also used, as had always been the case. In that respect, the
reason for the leasing and the amount involved are all available and I
am sure the NNPC would be willing to give that information to whoever
wants to look at them for public records. So again, it was a fabrication
that came out from nowhere and was thrown at us as if suddenly out of
the blues and for the first time in history, the NNPC was leasing jets
or helicopters".
The
Former Minister stated that the jet was never for personal use "No it
was not for my personal use, it was for executive movement, which is has
always been the case. I am saying just like the $20 billion, you find
something, you throw it on the person to feel smart or to make it look
as if the person is junketing all over the place or as if nobody had
done that before in the annals of the NNPC. Of course we were not
junketing all over the place. To be very honest, if they had never done
that contract to lease the jet, we would have been hiring at a higher
cost and which probably would have caused less of an issue. But to be
frank, the lease that was put in place, to the best of my knowledge, was
done with a company which even Shell and others have been using. So
there was a known company with a very good track record and was being
used in the industry by other multinationals.
But
the other issue that you raised in terms of the National Assembly was
not even because of the plane. The reason the plane was used in the
legal brief was because that was the topical issue at the time. It was
because in that year, the Minister of Petroleum had been summoned to the
National Assembly, according to my officers, almost 200 times. And at
this point, it became apparent that we were not going to be able to work
or to perform our duties as a government agency anymore. So it was now
becoming a situation whereby every week, they summoned the Minister of
Petroleum, one of the parastatals or NNPC, and it was now becoming
virtually impossible to actually perform our duties as an MDA. As such,
at that point, our lawyers just felt we needed to stop it because it was
becoming extremely disruptive. That was the basis on which the legal
action that was taken, just to allow us some space to continue working"
she said
